He just landed here in Montes Claros, in the northern region of Minas Gerais, where he is fulfilling his agenda and is today's interviewee in Itatia's series of interviews with presidential candidates. Mr. President, good afternoon, thank you again for the interview . Good afternoon, Edilene. It's a pleasure to return to Minas Gerais and to Montes Claros to make an important visit to something that is growing extraordinarily, which is the Brazilian pharmaceutical industry. In other words, McLaren will become a very important hub, and we are working to make Brazil independent in the majority of the medicines that we produce in Brazil. And since we have the SUS (Brazilian public healthcare system), which is a major buyer, you know, the industry here in Montecar has been growing, and I came to visit because this industry is going to be one of the largest industries in all of Latin America, and it will be very good, of course, it will be good for Brazil, it will be good for SUS patients, and it will be good for everyone. Mr. President, later I have a march, a walk, something that I have planned in the center of Montes Claros, in Montes Claros. Mr. President, to keep things on the agenda, you've been talking quite a bit about this subject. Minas Gerais is one of the states with the greatest potential for rare minerals in Brazil. Yesterday, you approved the critical minerals policy. Among the demands made by the United States, which were only made public today, despite being a document from last year, to negotiate the tariff, were requirements such as prior information on the sale of rare minerals, preferential rights for American companies, and restrictions on investments from rival countries, such as China, for example. I would like to know if you intend to meet, have met, or have evaluated any of these requirements. If so, which ones would be met, and what is your perspective on rare mineral exploration in Minas Gerais? Look, first of all, this document that was published today is an old document that was already in our inactive archive, because it was the first communication we received and rejected, you know? We didn't even discuss the document; it was unacceptable for a country to want priority over our country's mineral wealth . This document has not been discussed, will not be discussed, and is not currently under discussion. I honestly can't understand why this material was published. Exactly. On the day we, you know, enact the law that regulates the issue of critical women, we create a council to help, you know, in unraveling all the needs of the operation of rare earths and critical minerals. Delen, in Brazil we only have knowledge of 30% of our territory and what resources we possess. Now, we're going to try to make an investment to find out the full 100% that we have here. What we do know is that it's a lot. We are either second or first. That's part of it. The other part is that we need to know how to explore and what to explore. Who is going to take care of the mines, who is going to do the transformation process, who is going to make the batteries, who is going to make the cell phones, who is going to make the chips? Why? Because we no longer want to repeat what happened during the gold rush, where Portugal was left with the holes, Brazil was left with the palaces, and England built and developed its industry. What we want to do now is explore here and sell the finished product here to generate quality jobs here, to train good professionals here. That's why we're taking regulation very seriously, very strongly. And look, in the regulation we are not prohibiting the participation of foreign companies, but the sine qua non condition for coming to invest here in Brazil is knowing that the process has to be transformed in Brazil, the value-added product made in Brazil so that we export added value and not export through... Still regarding this document, Mr. President, do you believe that it may have been some kind of leak to harm your campaign or that of an opponent, for example, and it lists among the requirements that Brazil buy aircraft from BRAER, Brazil which has a stake in BRAER? He also spoke of a guarantee of free and fair elections. Do you think the American government tried to impose an authoritarian government on Brazil? I don't even know why I'm discussing this document, because this document doesn't exist. The newspaper leaked this story late; they must have received something, you know? There's some information I do n't know, because this document wouldn't cross anyone's mind in the government, as it's an outdated document. Here in Brazil, the minerals listed are ours. We're going to explain it, we're going to transform it, we're going to sell it. Here, the elections are ours. We have the safest electoral process in the world, you know . If Trump had used the Brazilian process, he wouldn't have had the problem of waiting several days to find out the election results. The elections ended here at 6 PM, and by 8 PM we will know the election results. So, I'm very calm and, in fact, one thing I want to do is invite everyone to come to the Brazilian election. Who knows, maybe we can introduce electronic voting in every country in the world, and then maybe put an end to all the electoral corruption around the world. Mr. President, to get into the issues of Minas Gerais, the BR-381 highway, as you know, the demand for safety on it has been a demand for decades here in Minas Gerais, and the highway was concessioned. Ah, there's a demand from the population to know if the stretch between Belo Oriente and Governador Valadares, for example, will be included in this duplication project, because initially there was no plan for it. Another concern for the population of the metropolitan region is that the stretch between Belo Horizonte and Caeté has been damaged, meaning it is the responsibility of the federal government. And this project is about a year behind schedule . Is there a delivery date in sight? Will it be delivered on time? What information is coming from the federal government? Look, all the contracted companies will have to deliver on time. The delay is due to a lack of planning to get things done. And you know that stretch over there, down the mountain, towards Molezada and Par do, is very complicated. You have a lot of expropriations to do, and you need to reach an agreement with the city government to determine who will pay for them. And we are working, we know the importance of this city, of this road. And we're going to make sure it's ready to go out on time, you know? Stop calling it the " road of death," change the name to "road of life," or at least choose another name that is more comfortable for people. Nobody, that is, nobody, has taken care of the roads in Minas Gerais like we have. When I became president, only 43% of the highways in Minas Gerais were in reasonable traffic conditions. We're already at 74% today. This demonstrates that we are working to ensure that roads are of good quality. Patru Ananias, the Workers' Party candidate for governor of Minas Gerais and a federal deputy, is here with us in the studio in Montes Claros. H, there is a possibility of going to the second round with Senator Cleitinho, because he is in second place in most polls and Cleitinho is in first. In a possible second round, how will you work with the candidates for the first round? The second round is a story unlike any other in the Brazilian championship. When the game starts, they're not thinking about penalties, they're thinking about winning the game. If you can't win, then you'll discuss penalties. First, we are starting a campaign. I think CL is an internet tool, but it 's not very practical for administration. He didn't know that the debt agreement for Minas Gerais had been made. He, who is a senator, didn't know that an agreement had been made in Minas Gerais. This initiative by the President of the Republic, Luiz Luna da Silva, involved negotiating with Minas Gerais, São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, and other states, including Rio Grande do Sul. And in this agreement, Edil, there's something very important. You have 30 years to pay off the debt. Interest rates reduced to zero. The savings from interest payments should be used for investment, education, transportation, and security. I swear, the state of Minas Gerais will stop paying 6 billion this year, and by 2020 the savings will amount to 34 billion. What we're aiming for is for a portion of that to be invested in high school education so that our boys and girls graduate with professional skills. If we do that, we'll be able to put twice as many boys in high school in this country. Well, since you mentioned Minas Gerais' debt, there's a demand from the Minas Gerais government candidate, including the current governor Simões, that the debt payments be redirected so that the state can reinvest in areas they deem priorities. Do you see a possibility of redesigning this agreement, or is it already over? But this is, this is, this is the interest, the interest that Minas Gerais will stop paying, and it needs to invest in education, security, and transportation. That's what they have to do. It's important to remember that when Zema won the elections, the budget was only 89 billion, and when he delivered the funds, it was 170 billion. And Zema spent 8 years lying here in Minas Gerais. For 8 years he lied because Pimentel was the one who didn't pay the debt, when in fact it was Pimentel who had to pay the government during his 14 years in office, and the process is known to be with Reberia. So Minas Gerais stopped paying, and then Mr. Zo benefited from the debt payments for 8 years, and now he's going to have to pay. He reduced the debt from 89 to 9 billion reais. Now the mine has to pay, it has to pay, and whoever owes has to pay. The deal was made, it's a good deal. All Minas Gerais needs to do now is be sensible, you know, with its fiscal control, to pay off the debt and have the money to make the investment here. So you think now is the time for the governors to do their part? I think it's not that it's time, it is time, they have an obligation to fulfill their part. It's an obligation. They signed an agreement. They signed an agreement. An agreement that never, at any point, originated from their initiative. The initiative was ours, and Pacheco played an important role in drafting this agreement. Mr. President, since you mentioned fiscal control, one of the major demands is for fiscal adjustment in Brazil, including the de-indexing of the minimum wage from benefits, as economists say is necessary, and cuts need to be made to the public sector. What is your proposal in this regard, given the high level of pressure, not only on you as a government official, but also on others? But these people would at least need to read the news. Do you know what's happening in the Brazilian economy? Did you know that he was the only president of the Republic to run a budget surplus during his 8-year term? Of all the G20 summits, I was the only one who surpassed 8 years in my first term. You know that now we're taking over the government in 2023 with a deficit of 2.8% and yet another default on court-ordered payments of R$4 billion. There was no money for Bolsa Família (family allowance), no money for healthcare, money can be spent more than you earn. You can only take on debt if you can afford to repay it. And if you want to build new assets that generate income, you can take on new debt, but you need to do so very responsibly. And if the state doesn't take care of fiscal matters, it's the poor people who pay the price. Therefore, responsibility rests on my shoulders. I do what I learned early on: that you shouldn't spend what you don't have. Mr. President, returning here to Minas Gerais, what about the minimum support you asked about? That's a stupid thing to say. I proved in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010 that increasing the minimum wage does not cause inflation. It does not cause inflation. That's why I ended my term in 2010 with 7.5% growth in Brazil's GDP, increasing the minimum wage every year, you know? A variation, inflation adjustment, and an average of 2 years of GDP. We're doing it now. Nobody, nobody is going to make me, you know, make the poor pay the price for any, any fiscal adjustment. Nobody, because every time there's talk of fiscal adjustment, it's the poor who pay the price. And in my government, it's not like that . We will continue to adjust the minimum wage for retirees because it is the minimum necessary for a person to survive, and I will not penalize the poor to benefit the rich. Is there any plan to reduce Bolsa Família or other social programs in a future term, whether you are elected or not? Lene's Bolsa Família program is a symbol of the best social inclusion program the world has ever created, recognized by all countries worldwide. Look, we dropped from 22 million to 18 million because people who improved their lives are leaving Bossa Família. Just so you know, 80% of the workers who are employed today are people who left the Bolsa Família program, because poor people are honest. He receives Bolsa Família (a government welfare program), but when he gets a job where he pays better, he doesn't want to keep receiving it from the state. This was to demonstrate the lie he was telling. The guy from the other family is a bum, he doesn't want to work, he just wants to stay home, you know? As if poor people were , you know, a people of bad character. If there's one thing honor is worth a great deal to, it's to the poorer segment of the Brazilian population. And we will continue to maintain the Bolsonaro Family, dreaming that one day we will no longer need the Bolsonaro Family. And for that to happen, the economy will have to grow, we will have to generate quality jobs, we will have to control investment in education so that Brazil one day won't need this. But as long as it's needed in my government, it will be available. Mr. President, here in Minas Gerais, the population, especially those in the area surrounding Mariana and the towns of the Rio Doce Valley, have been waiting for a long time for the Mariana agreement to be finalized. There was a dam break after the one in Brumadinho. The deal was finalized before Mariana's. The financial contribution of this initiative even helped the state government with public funds and infrastructure projects, and subsequently the Mariana agreement was finalized. Now, in the last week, many mayors who were part of the English lawsuit opted to belatedly join the agreement here in Brazil, and there was a weakening of the foreign lawsuit. In your opinion , this is proof that it worked. They claim there was pressure from the mining companies and now they are awaiting two announcements. One is R$1 billion for a program aimed at women, and the other is a contribution from the federal government to the expansion of the highway that connects Belo Horizonte to Rio Casca. Any news on this? The door where they are expected. Let me tell you something, Drene. When I became president, this agreement did not exist. I instructed my chief of staff, the finance minister, and my federal attorney to do everything in their power to ensure we reached the Mariana agreement. And we made an agreement for R$10 billion, of which R$49 billion is the responsibility of the federal government, managed by BNDF. If you consider what we've already done, a lot of money has already been invested . I'll even leave a copy with you, because I'm not going to read everything I wrote here, I'll give it to you, you know? This agreement is being strictly adhered to, and we are doing everything stipulated in it, all because we have already paid many people who were entitled to it. First, the people who earn the least, the fishermen, have already received money, and we will continue to take care of this, including restoring the entire river. We are going to restore the riverbed. I want to restore the forest that used to be along the river, because it's a commitment we made, we fought hard for it, and we will fulfill what we promised. The workers know what we're doing here. If it had depended on the previous government, there would have been no agreement and no recovery. In our case, there is an agreement, there is reparation, and there is compensation for the worker so that he can recover the losses that the irresponsibility of the ditch at the time caused to the Rio Doce Valley. Mr. President, speaking of the previous administration, the son of former President Jair Bolsonaro, Flávio Bolsonaro, is currently your main competitor in the race for the Palácio do Planalto (Presidential Palace). The polls, especially from the last week, have shown a technical tie in the second round, and today, unless I'm mistaken, a Futura poll showed a second round with him at 48% and you at 43%. Do you think this is a true reflection of the moment? And do you believe that for some reason, and what would that be, your campaign has stabilized while his has gained momentum? Well, I've never been the kind of candidate motivated to spend all day poring over research. Even less so today because there's research every single day. Not only do candidates conduct research, but every media outlet conducts research, every company conducts research, and each one publishes what they want. I 'll tell you one thing, I'm sure I'm going to win the election. Publicize the elections because the day will come when the people will decide what kind of Brazil they want. And when he decides, when he decides what kind of Brazil he wants, I'm sure the people will evaluate what happened in his life during my years in government and what the other candidate is promising them . They will know, they will know clearly. In other words, the other guy, you know the number of accusations against him, you know he's not even being investigated yet, but there are many accusations about his connection to Banco Mata, the delegation, his connection to the vocário, the money from his father's film, in other words, it's a scam, you know, that we 're trying to dismantle. And it's important to say, they created the vocabulary of a banker, and I transformed the vocabulary into a prisoner. They set up a criminal gang within the social security system. We not only dismantled the gang and arrested them, but we have also recovered 6 billion in assets from the thieves and returned 3.5 billion to 5 million retirees and pensioners. So here's the thing, we are aware that on October 4th the people will decide, and I am certain that I will remain as President of the Republic, because the people know that in the history of Brazil there has never been a President of the Republic who implemented the amount of social inclusion policies that we did in our government. And together with me, I want to work to elect Patru as governor of Minas Gerais, because Patru, of all the candidates running, has an extraordinarily successful experience, which was governing the city of Belo Horizonte, and he has another successful experience when he was Minister for Combating Hunger in my government. Well, we're 10 days into the campaign, we have another 18 days ahead of us, and now the time is coming for the people to decide. This is like the Brazilian championship. When the Minas Gerais state championship begins, América is champion, Cruzeiro is champion, Atlético is champion, but the day comes when there's a final showdown and in that final there's a winner. That day will be the 4th, and I am at peace with the level of awareness and maturity of the people of Minas Gerais. Regarding the national scenario, you don't believe there will be a second round. Sir, do you think the election will be decided in the first round? I think this meeting could be decided in the first round. I work for that. I work for that. Now, I too have never won an election in the first round. I competed, you know? I went to the second round in '89, then there was no second round in '98. Then in 2002 I won in the second round. In 2016 I won in the second round. In 2010, Dilma won in the second round. In 2014, Dilma won in the second round. In 2018 we lost. And in 2022 I won in the second round. Therefore, whether we win the election in the first or second round, we will win it. Do you think the election will actually be decided in the supermarket, as many are predicting? Flávio's campaign strategy , for example, is to talk about supermarkets, to talk about prices. And do you think this major case could still weaken Flávio Bolsonaro, or has it stabilized his position? That car from Mata, it wasn't solved. The only thing that really happened at Banco Mata was that I shut down the Banco Matter that they opened, and I arrested the banker who... and turned him into a prisoner. That's the only thing, but it remains to be seen who is involved. Because everyone involved with the massive bank robbery, whether they convened it or not, everyone who took the money directly or indirectly, will all have to be tried and punished. If he is innocent, he will be acquitted. The game is starting, and Flávio Bolsonaro knows he won't get away with it. He knows he's neck-deep in all the shady dealings at Banco Master. And now that the phone with the cloud that André Mendonça had, who was using his position as rapporteur to play politics, has proven that he was playing politics, making selective accusations, only disclosing what was in his interest. So, my dear, here's the thing, we 're certain that this will still have a significant impact on politics, a great impact indeed . Every now and then he would say: " Lula defends Alexandre Moraes." The feud between the Bolsonaro family and Alexandre Moraes isn't about Banco Master, it's about the family's imprisonment , it's about Alexandre Moraes's behavior, which was correct in defending democracy in this country. If Alexandre Moraes made a mistake in the contract he signed, that's a decision for the Supreme Court to make, okay? And if he's wrong, he'll have to pay for what he did. But we want the same for everyone. We're going to publicize what happened to everyone. Do you know who went to the orgy that was set up, who participated in the orgies, do you know? Who spent money, who received money, who went to dinner, and whose house they stayed at? He knows? All of this needs to come to light. Then when the people show up , the people will know the truth. And when the people know the truth, they will know how to make decisions. Do you believe that Alexandre de Moraes' conduct should be judged together in the same session as André Mendonça's conduct? Look, it's difficult for me to make a prediction about a Supreme Court decision, but I think if you want to ensure fairness in the voting, you have to put everyone on the same day. We're going to find out if the phone call is real, if FCO is involved, if André Menota is involved, you know? If the president of the Supreme Court is involved, we need to find out who else is involved so we can investigate. Because you can't judge a person before the elections and then spend time judging them afterwards. Judge everyone at once, analyze everyone. Everyone wants to have the material now. Just make it public. Let's make it public. Who's afraid of the people finding out about things? Who doesn't want the people to know? Who knows what secrets exist about the shady dealings that were carried out in this country using money from the corrupt bank? Because this guy Bocário must be more dangerous than Al Capone and all his gang, because he corrupted the republic. He corrupted the republic. There are congressmen who are afraid, there are senators who are afraid, there are ministers who are afraid, there are judges who are afraid. Spread the word then. Spread the word. The people want to know. The only thing that needs to happen is faith; let the people decide and let the justice system judge, because you know what happens? The Supreme Court needs to be respected. If the Supreme Court doesn't have the respect of public opinion, it becomes very difficult for us to believe that the Supreme Court is the guardian of our constitution. It's the only body that makes the decision, and we can't appeal. It's like it's God, you know? So it's important that they are more serious than the rest of society, that they have better ethical behavior. Now that all of this belongs to him, it will allow us to have a discussion about judicial reform, about reform in general. No one, no one, no one goes unpunished before the law. Whoever made the mistake should pay for the mistake they made. What are the main points you advocate for in a judicial reform that you believe is important? Well, I don't want to keep saying it because I need to hear from a lot of people before I can do it. But one thing I've come to believe is this: anyone who wants to be rich shouldn't be a Supreme Court Justice. That is a priesthood. Anyone who wants to go to the Supreme Court has to go to serve society, not to use the position for personal gain. This is something that needs to be clear. The other thing, in my opinion, is that there has to be a mandate. No one can stay 30, 40 years, you know, on the Supreme Court. So we're going to discuss all of this very carefully so as not to override, you know, the common sense of Brazilian society. Ah, Mr. President, the postponement of the session that would vote on the investigation against Alexandre de Moraes, against his conduct, ended up being postponed because Minister Flávio Dino requested a review . Flávio Bolsonaro's campaign ended up celebrating this, saying that the fact that he remained inactive favored Flávio's campaign. At some point, through the votes of Flávio Dino and Cristiano Zani, who were nominated by you. Have you reconsidered whether you voted correctly for the composition of the court or not? How would you rate the conduct overall? Dino, somewhat dissatisfied with the direction the president was taking, decided to ask for permission, but I'm sure Fravo Din will open things up at the right and appropriate time, Viaton. I'm telling you this. That secret phone call that seemed to be from another planet, in André Mendonça's hands, only he knew about the leaked news. Now it's in Gilmar's hands, it's in Flávio Dino's hands, it's in Zani's hands, and it's in the hands of other Supreme Court justices. Now it's time to start leaking what really needs to be leaked so people know the truth. Do you think it happens before the elections? Look, for me, when it happens, it's no problem; it happens when they know it has to happen. I honestly don't think that just one single determining factor can change the election. This is serious. This is serious. And it was Bolsonaro who created the master bank. The person who was friends with Vocário was Bolsonaro. Bolsonaro was the one who took the money for the film. So what came to light? We don't know if the money from the film actually went to the film itself or if it went to support yet another Bolsonaro who's in the United States playing the role of a traitor to the nation, asking Trump to intervene in Brazil. So, for me, there's only one thing that matters, Dilene: that Brazilian society knows, that we stand naked before Brazilian society so that we can make the correct judgment. That is my wish. Mr. President, just to address the issue of the Supreme Federal Court, this matter is somewhat passed on to the Presidential Palace, because you vetoed points of the Dosimetry Bill that were overturned by the National Congress, and now, since July, there has been significant litigation, questioning the validity of the Dosimetry Bill, which is currently before the Supreme Federal Court. What do you think might happen? Any changes in that regard? Look, it will depend, it will depend on, you know, on the Supreme Court itself. I think no one can be imprisoned forever. At some point, the Supreme Court can make decisions and change, you know, the very judgment it has already made. Ah, for my part, I think he has to serve his sentence because they tried to pull a fast one. They tried to kill me, to kill Alkm, they tried to kill Alexandre de Moraes, you know? So, they tried to stage a coup in this country, they tried to tear up our Constitution, disrespecting the electoral decision. So I think that, as they say, you know, as a poet would say, time is the master of reason. So, things will happen at the right time . For now, Bolsonaro and the group that tried to stage a coup must remain in prison so they can learn their lesson and never again attempt to undermine democracy in our country. You just commented on Eduardo Bolsonaro's dealings with US President Donald Trump. Next week you will go to New York for the opening of the UN General Assembly and, as always, Brazil will deliver the opening speech. What should your speech be like? Do you have any meetings scheduled with Donald Trump? Will there be any message for the world? It wo n't happen. It will happen. It will be a good speech. It's a speech that speaks of the world. It's a speech that talks about the world economy. It's a speech that addresses the lack of representativeness of the UN Security Council. It's a speech that will talk about wars. It's a speech that will address the lack of leadership in making decisions. It's going to be a speech where Trump speaks after me . Last year's was along those lines. What will be different this year? No, there won't be much that's different. The words changed because the political climate changed. Brazil, Brazil will not bow to the arrogance of any president, of any country in the world. Brazil will do what is in the best interest of the Brazilian people. Our sovereignty, our democracy, is inviolable. Nobody touches anything here. And Trump knows this, that I've already spoken to him three times, but let's wait and see. Human beings are very unpredictable. I was at the UN General Assembly covering it last year, and I remember well that in that backstage meeting between you and Donald Trump, there was that quick bump, and you talked about chemistry. What should this year be like? No, I maintain that my personal relationship with Trump is good. I treat him well, and he treats me well. The problem is that when we finish the meeting, everything's fine, and then someone shows up who isn't doing so well , who I think is the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio. I think it's him. It seems like he doesn't like Latin America, it seems like he doesn't like Brazil, so he's always doing things that go against what Trump gets right. We approached Trump to make a deal. I told Trump that we, who had taken down Kim, were organized, and I offered him all the expertise that the Brazilian Federal Police has, you know? I showed him what we're doing in the fight against organized crime and against the Comando Vermelho and the PCC, you know? He never answered me again. He never answered me again. In other words, when we have more, every time I talk to Trump, I don't just stay in the speech. I end the conversation, I hand over a document confirming what I discussed. I delivered documents on critical rare earth minerals, I delivered documents on trade, I delivered documents on what is organized, I delivered documents on Iran. It's about peace with Iran, and I'm asking Brazil to help, because we already did it once and unfortunately the Americans didn't accept it. Brazil, because it's not, you know, a powerful nation, you know, literally, they didn't accept the agreement we made, but we had already made an agreement with Turkey with Iran for the peaceful use of uranium. Unfortunately, the Americans didn't want to accept, and the deal they have now is much worse. So, Brazil is ready to talk. Brazil is ready to talk. Brazil is prepared to talk to Trump, to talk to Putin, to talk to Fijiping, about any subject. Brazil is large and intelligent enough to discuss any topic with any president in the world. Mr. President, we're almost at the end. How do you think third-party candidates, such as Augusto Cur, for example, who ended up having greater growth than expected, could hinder you in a possible second round by supporting Flávio Bolsonaro? If elected, what will be your first campaign act, or what will be the first major achievement you announce if you are elected president again? There is a lot of unpredictability in politics . Who would have imagined him being my vice president? He was my opponent, and I went to talk to him so he could give me his visa because I thought he was a man with 16 years of experience in government in the state of São Paulo. So he could help me, and he did help me a lot, and he has been an extraordinary vice president. See what's left when the first tour is over . When you have some free time, you'll talk to people. You're going to talk to people who never voted for you. I've done this several times already. Often. Sir, do you rule out speaking with any of the candidates? Do you rule out speaking with any of the candidates? No. I am willing to talk to whomever I need to talk to. Sen will look for Cur, for example. You will look for Cur, for example. I do n't know. I don't know. If necessary, I will look for Tri, I will look for another candidate. I already looked. I went to see Brizola in '89, which was my birthday. I was very nervous because I went to the second tunnel. No, I went to talk to Brizola. It was the most difficult conversation I've ever had. The most difficult conversation I ever had was with Brizola, and afterwards we got along well, we hugged, and Brizola transferred 100% of his vote to me. Now, one thing is certain about him: when it comes time to vote, the Brazilian people will think very carefully; governing the country is not an adventure. It's an adventure. This is gigantic. You can't do a U-turn on a ship the size of Brazil. You don't govern Brazil through the internet; you govern Brazil with concrete policies and concrete decisions. And there is no one in Brazil today who is more prepared than I am to take care of the Brazilian people. And what will be your first act as governor in a potential fourth term? To take office, then to govern. Look, Dilene, I have a few things I need to do in the next life. I have an obsession with education. So, we need to get our universities to create new courses. We need to specialize in this issue of the chemical materials industry and critical minerals and rare earths. We need to specialize in this crazy digital industry, which is a wild thing, and we want to have it, you know? Artificial intelligence in the Portuguese language. We need to specialize in this issue of energy transition. Brazil is the king of this. Look, the possibility we have with the approval of the law that allows, you know, that created redata, that is, to always bring dates to Brazil. Brazil attracts a lot of investment because we have a great capacity to produce energy, and we know we have fixed energy sources for that purpose. No country in the world has the capacity to produce the amount of renewable energy that Brazil has. And that's an attractive feature for investments. We are considering investing many billions of dollars in Brazil in the near future. Mr. President, thank you very much for the interview. They are listening to us now. Besides the day, there are also people who follow along on YouTube. I thank President Lula, who was interviewed during the debate with the presidential candidates this Thursday here in Montes Claros. Thank you, Mr. President. Delena. Thank you. I hope that the people of Minas Gerais know that the PT (Workers' Party) has presented the best candidate for governor, which is Patranias, and that they will vote for him so that he can fix the state of Minas Gerais and make it grow economically again. Thank you very much, Junior.