from Rio de Janeiro. Here with me is the President of the Republic, Luís Inácio Lula da Silva, speaking on the biggest radio station in this country, Super Rádio Tupique, celebrating 91 years and playing this part in democracy at this very important moment. I'll go straight here. Cloves Monteiro, good morning, Mr. President. Good morning, candidate. Welcome to Super Top Radio. Good morning, Isabele. Good morning. We're speaking directly from Rio de Janeiro, right? And of course, we're going to talk mainly about the agenda, several agendas. Our goal here is to be part of this democracy, this debate about measures and proposals. And the first one, of course, today only has one very important item on the agenda. The blonde will be arriving shortly, President Luís Inácio Lula da Silva, to talk about the security pact that was recently signed. And we are living through a situation, of course, that Brazil is diverse and you are the president of the Republic, security as a whole, but Rio de Janeiro is experiencing a peculiar situation in relation to this territorial dispute. The security pact today aims at two main points: retaking territory, but mainly also these security routes that exist today. How can we resolve this situation? And in practice, will this pact directly impact the population in the medium or short term? I think so , Isabele. This is a very important issue because we've been trying to pass a constitutional amendment since last year to properly define the federal government's role in public safety. Because in the 1988 Constitution, we removed the responsibility for public security from the federal government and transferred it to the states. The states are responsible for the Civil Police and the Military Police, not the federal government. So what we're trying to work on is this : how to build, after the amendment to the Constitution is approved, to define everyone's role, how we're going to work together to address the problem of public safety. And what we are doing today in Rio de Janeiro is a small example of something that will happen in this country. We have three main points in today's agreement. Our first priority is to stifle the logistics and mobility of crime. Then we have to reclaim territories because it makes no sense for organized crime and gangs to take over the street, the village, the neighborhood, the school, the church, you know? We'll get back to that. And the third axis is to strengthen the municipality's capacity. The municipality has to play an important role in public safety. He already has the police force; it's necessary to prepare this police force, and we are offering to prepare it from an intelligence standpoint, from the standpoint of police action, so that we can bring peace of mind to the people of Rio de Janeiro and to the Brazilian people. Of those three points you mentioned, would retaking territory be the biggest challenge in your view? And I'm going to talk about a point, Mr. President, bringing it up because I know your agenda is very emblematic, and Rio de Janeiro, unfortunately, has some shocking images, but yesterday, for example, in a community in the northern zone, a police drone captured an image that I think is very painful. I imagine this is for you to either indulge in something or have witnessed the very painful experience of public school students having to conduct raids against criminals in the middle of the community. Retaking that territory would be the most challenging part. It's the most challenging part, and it's the part that, for us, provides security to society. You can't wake up knowing that your neighborhood has an owner. You can't buy gas knowing that you'll have to pay a toll for picking it up. You can't pay tolls for anything. The village is yours, the street is yours, the neighborhood is yours. That's why we're going to take it very seriously. Look, I was always against that GLO (Guarantee of Law and Order) when I saw the army here, intervention, no, no. The governor would announce beforehand, he'd come here, the bandits would leave, the army would stay here for a week, a month, two months, and when I left the bandits would be gone. What's the difference now? It needs to be fixed. The police have to operate 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. That's what's important to do. The federal government comes into play here, since you brought it up, and that's when it becomes a state matter. What we're doing today is a pact we've made; we're going to conduct an experiment. Uh-huh . But the idea is that once the constitutional amendment is approved, we'll define the role. I'll give you an example. We are now defining a commitment of R$10 billion reais, together with the states, because we have discovered that organized crime, the factions, control 138 prisons in the country. 138 prisons in the country. You know that the first maximum security prisons that were built were created by me, during my first term in office, you know? So what are we doing? We are going to transform these 138 jails into maximum security prisons. Then, yes, we will contribute money together with the states, we will invest in intelligence, we will ban phone calls, we will ensure that when a lawyer attends to a case, you know, they are not a spokesperson for crime, that they are accompanied by someone who oversees the prison system, to see if we can bring peace of mind to the Brazilian people and the people of Rio de Janeiro. So, this experiment we're conducting here is a pilot program that, if successful, I think we can implement throughout the entire country. Rio de Janeiro being a showcase for this national territory, which we already see is a public security challenge as well. I'm going to pick up on a point, something important. In my first campaign in 2022, when I was elected, I came here to Rio de Janeiro and gave a speech telling the gubernatorial candidate that my idea was to get Rio de Janeiro out of the crime pages and start appearing in the news pages of newspapers with positive news stories. Because Rio de Janeiro doesn't deserve to go through what it goes through every day. First, corruption allegations are a very powerful thing that has already led to the arrest of three or four state governors. People no longer believe in these things. So our commitment is to try to restore Rio de Janeiro. Just so you know, Petrobras is making a lot of investments. We've revived the shipbuilding industry in Rio de Janeiro. PACNOF represents a 424 billion investment in Rio, of which 299 billion has already been invested. Our debt, our public debt of the state of Rio de Janeiro, which is a very large debt, what have we done? We reached an agreement regarding this debt. We made an agreement, and the state will have to pay 54 billion for investments until 2030 as part of this debt that it will no longer have to pay. This includes an obligation to invest in education, especially in secondary education. So I am very optimistic about Rio de Janeiro. I think the governor is doing an extraordinary job. But let's start from there. I'm talking about the word corruption amidst all of this. And then I'm going to pick up on a point that I'll later return to, a topic that I think is super important, especially regarding the future, that Rio de Janeiro needs to talk about the future, and this radio station talks about the future. Well, getting to the topic of corruption, since we're having a very sincere conversation here, and it's a grilling session, of course we're going to ask questions, but we live in a state that I think not even the most studious political analysts could explain what's happening in Rio de Janeiro today. We have a current governor who is a judge because of corruption and suspicions of criminal factions infiltrating the legislative mechanisms. That's why we've arrived at this situation. How do you see a future and a change in the mechanism to prevent this corruption from happening? Because everything was expected, but what happened this year in Rio de Janeiro, especially in the realm of corruption and politics, is what continues to resonate even today. We have the judge at the head of the state government's power. Look, our judge is doing an extraordinary job; in other words, he 's showing the seriousness that all government officials should demonstrate. He's showing this in detail. And you know , I'm going to tell you something I wasn't even going to say, but you know there's a presidential candidate who's linked to the militias here in Rio de Janeiro. And when you start analyzing the situation in Rio de Janeiro, you'll realize that many members of the Bolsonaro family are involved with the militias in this country. In other words, we need to clean up politics and the police. It needs cleaning. This is hard work. It's a task that I would say, you know, Brazilian society has to take responsibility for shaping the future it wants, and that's what elections are for. But I think, I find it inconceivable that Rio de Janeiro is experiencing the situation it is experiencing. A country, a state that has extraordinary potential, has tourism potential, has industrial potential, has potential, you know, for oil exploration and production, like few others have. And all this money doesn't mean much to the people. I'll tell you something, I've built 106,000 houses here, and we've already delivered 90,000, but when you look at the state governments, they have n't done the things they were supposed to do. They didn't. The previous governor, do you know what he did? Nothing, nothing, nothing. And you're seeing now, through recordings from Vocão's phone , how deeply he's buried in this promiscuous relationship that led to the biggest economic corruption scandal in Brazilian history. Sir, do you consider this the biggest scandal? I now consider it, I consider it a source of pride to say the following: they created a banker, and I became their prisoner. It's because Marco, it was the Bolsonaro family that turned him into a bank. In other words , it became a bank under Bolsonaro's government, and it became a prisoner under my government. Just as they removed the gang from the social security system, who stole almost R$4 billion from the Brazilian people, we have already returned all the money they stole, we have already seized R$ 6 billion in assets from the gang, and the gang is already in jail. The people are tired of corruption scandals. So here's a message to give to these people, and especially also to change the mechanisms, which is what we're seeing. I think Rio de Janeiro is a reflection of that, unfortunately, as you just mentioned. Well, not wanting to change the subject, I have other topics to ask about, but being the female voice of the radio station, which is celebrating its 91st anniversary, the female voice, I need to talk about the issue of femicides, right? We have a very strong agenda, and it's a cause that needs to be addressed, and I'm very happy that it was brought up in a political debate between both candidates. I can't help but ask here. Policy for women's safety. Well, in Rio de Janeiro, a woman is officially raped every 4 minutes. What is the immediate future policy for this woman, the safety net, to rescue her from torment, from femicides, from attempted femicides? We had two survivors this week, but we show every day the ones who don't manage to survive. Madam President, Isabele, in February we created a pact against femicide involving the president of the Supreme Court, the president of the Senate, and the president of the Chamber of Deputies. After we approved this PAC in February, we have already created 11 laws, four decrees, and three ordinances, trying to guarantee full protection for women. Just to give you an idea, we went from 40,000 to 439,000 phone calls (1,000 per 180). It means that people have gained confidence. Those protective laws are in place to ensure that women are safe. The electronic toolmaker. Today, for example, a woman knows if the aggressor is going to come near her. She can control the aggressor and she can improve even further. Is there room for improvement? There is room for improvement. And the protective measure for women is in effect 24 hours a day today. It won't take another month or 10 months now. It's immediate. Because we cannot understand and accept that a woman who is under the government's protection is violated again in her own home . So, Isabele, it's a very tough thing. I've been telling Janja that she asks me about it every morning. She brings up this as the main topic of conversation every day. Look, Janja, I woke up this morning following all the violence against women. She's putting me at the table, and I told Jang: "Look, everything we can do from the point of view of state action, we will do. But there's something that's more in the future, which is education. We need to re-educate humanity. We need to re-educate the child; they have to learn from a young age that they are not better than women. How can the government help with this? The government can help, look, from a legal point of view, we will do everything that needs to be done, you know? Including increasing prison sentences. In other words, I've been saying in my speeches, you know? A man who hits a woman will be imprisoned. A woman is not obligated to live with a man in exchange for a plate of food, and he doesn't own the woman. He is her partner and companion , but he doesn't own her. So we're not going to accept that anymore. Now, what do we have to learn? I've been saying that from daycare to university, you know? Or rather, from the beginning to university, we have to educate that we are equal, that the man does not own the woman, that he is no longer..." Stronger than her, smarter than her, unable to do more than her. It only speaks to a structurally patriarchal society. It's an educational problem, you know? It's not just a legal problem. We're mainly talking about the advancement of laws here, but an advancement that's not just about law, it's about a safety net and financial freedom. You see, I've said in my speeches that women have to study, everyone has to study, men also have to study, because it's good for them to have a profession, to earn a better salary, to be able to take better care of their family. But women, in addition to all that, in addition to the quality of their jobs, in addition to the quality of their salaries, achieve something called independence, you know? It's very, very powerful for a woman to live with whomever she wants without being economically dependent on him. To live with someone she likes, someone she loves, someone she enjoys being with, not because the guy provides food or pays the rent. That's why all my speeches are directed at women... Study, study, because you will have an independence that only a profession of yours can bring. And you're speaking directly from the most listened-to radio station in Rio's favelas, which are matriarchal communities led by women. Mr. President, moving on to the next topic now. You know I've been saying, Isabel, I have to say the following: we men don't understand the following. Women have already learned for the job market. Today we have almost 54% women already in the job market. It's not much. It's still not enough power. But look, one important thing is that they learned for the job market, because housework must be very boring. So women want to work outside the home, they want to have new friendships, everything. So men haven't learned to go into the kitchen yet. If men shared household chores with women, cleaning the bathroom, making the bed, changing the child, helping to make food for the child, it would be so beautiful. In other words, women don't; women have a triple shift, they have to take care of their husbands and take care of the children. Then they go to work, then they come back, take care of them. Besides her husband and children, she's the first to get up and the last to go to sleep. She knows that on Saturdays and Sundays, she works, works, works. That's why we're extending the end of the six-by-one staircase to give women a day off so they can sit down and say, "I'm going to relax, I'm going to read something, I'm going to watch something, I'm going to visit a relative, you know?" I'm going to call my friends over to play cards, to play anything, you know? so she can have a day to herself. No one is a slave in this country anymore. So I work with this perspective that we will be able to move forward because women are still making great progress in understanding the rights they have. We have n't reached the ideal point yet, but women are making great strides in recognizing the rights they have. What's your favorite main dish to cook? What? [laughs] What's your favorite main dish to cook? The Lord said, "What kind of man is there to cook?" No, let me tell you. I'm not, I 'm not a guy, I'm not a kitchen guy, you know? I loved cooking on the little wood-burning stove when I was in São Bernardo . I loved putting a little bean on the firewood. No, I know how to do it, I know how to cook rabbit, you know? I know how to cook shrimp, enjoy! I know how to make lasagna, I am, I 'm a guy, I know how to fry an egg [laughs]. That's very classic, Mr. President, let's talk about the health sector, Rio de Janeiro, and people don't focus on that . Ah, well, three electoral polls already show that, of course, there is concern about public safety, but also concern about the health sector. The people of Rio de Janeiro are not being consulted about their healthcare needs. And here we have an atypical situation compared to other places because we have important federal hospitals and a significant network of federal hospitals. In 2023, right at the beginning, an audit was conducted with over 1000 beds that were idle, closed, with equipment, everything packed away. That's outrageous how public money is wasted, isn't it? It's absurd what's happening inside federal hospitals. What have you been doing to move things forward, and what improvements have been made, especially in integrating this network that seems fragmented, particularly in the regulatory system where people don't even know where they are, whether in elective waiting lists, emergency surgeries, or treatments? How can federal hospitals, which have a significant network here in Rio de Janeiro, collaborate on this? Oh Isabele, thank you for that question, because I'm obsessed with the federal hospitals here in Rio de Janeiro, and I've been saying this about healthcare, the Federal Hospital of Rio de Janeiro needs to be a hospital of excellence. Whenever people want to think of something good, they should remember federal hospitals. I came here to visit some of them; they were completely abandoned, beds closed, kitchen closed. Incidentally, when Flávio Bolsonaro was in charge of the hospitals, the employees had to pay, you know, to park their cars in the parking lot. It was, it was, it was absurd that people were dying and the hospitals were closed. Let me tell you something, we and some other hospitals have already increased patient care by 156%, and we 've increased surgeries by more than 700 per month in some hospitals. Today all federal hospitals are functioning, functioning. We partnered with the city government, we partnered with the Conceição Hospital in Rio Grande do Sul, and we are transforming these hospitals into centers of excellence. It would be nice if you could choose one of the six and visit. Would that be good, Isabela? I am quite familiar with success. But go now, don't go now. You know, back when they were completely deteriorated. I want you to go now and visit all of you at the hospitals, and in the future, for better integration. When you visit, give me a call. I 'm at the hospital in Andaraí, I'm at Bom Sucesso. Do you know how it's working? Because I want these hospitals to be centers of excellence, exemplary hospitals in the world, because no other state has a federal hospital, only Rio de Janeiro. Only Rio de Janeiro, right? There's a hospital here that even has an office dedicated to Getúlio Vargas. I've never been inside it, but [laughs] the VAG cabinet, but what I want is to use this device, not create, use these issues. No, we'll renovate everything soon. Could you pay us a visit? You, as a woman who cares deeply about this and speaks with women, should visit and interview one of these hospitals, interviewing the doctors, nurses, and patients, because things need to improve and the quality needs to be very high , very high quality. And what do you see for the future regarding integration, especially in the regulatory system and further integration, given its atypical nature, with other synergies, municipal hospitals, and state hospitals? Look, what we want is to have a single, functioning health system subordinate to the SUS (Unified Health System). Oh, Isabele, I used to be obsessed with something called health. Back in the day, poor people would go to the doctor, get a prescription, but if they didn't have the money to buy the medicine, they'd put the prescription in a glass or under their pillow and die without taking the medicine. Well, we solved that by creating a community pharmacy, okay? which today distributes 41 medications for continuous use free of charge to everyone. Secondly, after the medicine, people needed the specialist. Isabele would go to the doctor, and the doctor would say, "Look, ma'am, you need to see an ophthalmologist, a cardiologist, and an orthopedist." Then you would schedule another year of waiting. Then, when you'd finally get to that orthopedist after a year, they'd say, "Look, you need to get an MRI, you need a PET scan, you need to go through one of those machines that takes pictures of your body." Then it was another year, wasn't it? Today I'm going to tell you something. Today, a machine for radiotherapy is available, something that used to be something only women did. I used to have it done on my throat and on my head because of skin cancer. Let me tell you something. Today, any poor person in this country will have the right to receive radiotherapy on a machine exactly like the one Trump uses in the United States, exactly like the one Putin uses, the one the FIP uses in China, and exactly like the one I use anywhere in Brazil. This obsession with health continues, and continues, continues. Women's health exams, we have them, we're going to have 150 mobile women's health clinics traveling around this country. A mobile unit to perform all types of cancer screenings for women, to treat them, you know, to do everything that's necessary. Janja came with me here to Rio de Janeiro, we went to Fiocruz, she went to have a breast exam in a mobile unit with a more modern machine that is less painful for the woman, but she can also have exams for uterine cancer, you know, all kinds of diseases. So we're going to have 150 trucks searching for the sick. We're not going to wait. Do you know how many elective surgeries we performed last year? 45 million. And now? This is true nationwide. This is true nationwide. The whole country. And we're going to continue doing more surgery. More surgery, you know? And we're going to put an end to the queues. We just eliminated the NSS queue. We just eliminated the NSS queue. So I wanted you to know that we are, you know, taking very seriously, very seriously, you know, the construction of university hospitals, the construction of women's hospitals, there are three hospitals created for women in the Northeast so that we can help people live much longer. Mr. President, we're here having this conversation, and I swear that when I thought about being in a question-and-answer session, I was going to talk about what has already been discussed a lot about polarization, and we've reached a week where we're not even talking about polarization anymore. You spoke a lot in the news about the Supreme Federal Court. How do you view this, considering Minister Carmen Lúcia herself, using the word " spectacularization" in relation to something that shouldn't be on the agenda and apologizing to the Brazilian people, when the electoral race should be the topic of discussion instead ? How do you see this scenario today? Look, I see this with a certain sadness. I see this with great sadness because society doesn't accept it as normal. In other words, you have a citizen who was a nobody. The Bolsonaro government turned him into a banker. He created Banco Master during the Bolsonaro administration, embezzled 60 billion reais, involved other banks, and implicated the state government through pension funds. This citizen, who became a banker under Bolsonaro's government, became a prisoner under my government. And he corrupted everyone. If you're going to see the tapes that are being released, that are being recorded from his cell phone, he's corrupted everyone. He sponsored orgies, he brought women from Sweden, from Switzerland, I do n't know where, you know, for the rich Brazilians, you know, who like, you know, that kind of thing. And then it involved people from the Supreme Court, it involved the congressman, it involved the senator, it involved everyone. And do you think you got contaminated in this election race, in this [clearing throat] politics? So, I think it contaminates everything. It contaminates everything. It worries you, sir, you know? Obviously, it worries me, it worries me because we're going to have to discuss how we're going to fix this, how we're going to fix the Supreme Court. I now want to revisit this precarious situation, but before making this reform, we have to solve this problem. Everyone's there. There you have five ministers who are directly or indirectly connected. Look, the grudge that Flávio Bolsonaro has against Alexandre Moraes isn't because of the Mato Grosso bank scandal, it's because of his father's arrest. He never accepted his father's imprisonment. He never accepted the election results. He accepted his own election, but he did not accept his father's. So you see, it's important to the reader that Alexandre Moraes played an extremely important role in the elections and in maintaining democracy. For the first time, we had four four-star generals arrested. This is historic in Brazil. And for once you have a president imprisoned for attempting a coup. A president who orchestrated my death, orchestrated the death of Alm and the death of Alexandre de Moraes himself. Okay ? Nobody is defending the contract that Alexandre de Moraes made with Banco Master. Nobody is defending the idea that the people who made the deal with Bacumato made it. What we are arguing is that anyone who wants to go to the Supreme Court cannot want to be rich. Ali is a priesthood. People really need to know that what's there is the most sublime and strongest institution in our country . When she makes her decision, nobody can do anything about it anymore. So she has to be very serious, she has to be very ethical. He knows? So all of this, you know, it's all rotting. And do you think this is having repercussions in this final stretch? I think it's going to have repercussions in the final stretch. It's going to splash. Do you know what we want to show you? He's the one to blame for this, okay? Who is to blame for this? The person to blame for this is Bolsonaro. This bank did not exist. This bank was created by the Central Bank during the Bolsonaro administration. This corruption happened during the Bolsonaro administration, and we are investigating it very patiently because if we put on a show before we investigate, you make the accusation and nothing gets investigated. And we were serious, very serious. This person approached me one day in a 20- minute conversation saying: "Look, because I'm being harmed, my bank is going bankrupt, I 'm being persecuted." I said, "Look, nobody here is being persecuted, we're going to investigate. If you're dealing with the right bank, your bank won't close. But if you're not, it will close, and we closed it because it wasn't working correctly. He was falsifying numbers, buying non-existent securities, selling non-existent things, trying to bribe ministers. In other words, all of this is becoming public knowledge. And what's serious is that not everything has come out yet, because André Bedonça had a lot of information that he kept secret. Sir, do you believe that everything will come out and we'll know everything? I think so, I think so. It will, because now it's public. Minister Zanim, Minister Fravudino, and Minister Jumá already have the information that was only with André. I think all the other ministers already have it, part of the press already has it. So now it's just a matter of starting to show the information. There are many people afraid in the republic, Isabele. Many people, you know? It was urgent, more and more urgent. It was, you know, a It 's outrageous, unthinkable for an ordinary citizen to believe that the people who have the obligation, you know, the responsibility to look after this country, would do that. There was even a news story about a citizen who had a debt with a woman that cost R$10,000 and he still hasn't paid, he told the bank to pay. He practically tried to get involved in the legal process to pay his debt. " Unravel it," which is the program, "Unravel it, Brazil." Isabel's low-level behavior has to end in politics. It's not possible, it can't continue. So, as I defend institutions and as I believe that a democracy, if it doesn't have strong institutions , you know, we're going to have to re-discuss the role of institutions. Let's talk then about the agenda that you already touched on in three points, which I think is super important, and bringing it to Rio de Janeiro, the education agenda. We have the IDEB (Basic Education Development Index), which ended up having its criteria altered, and we saw a very sad X-ray, especially of secondary education in Rio de Janeiro, showing... Young people practically without any kind of literacy, especially from a public education. How does one, given this fact, as President of the Republic and candidate for re-election, foresee a direct improvement in states like Rio de Janeiro? Rio de Janeiro, whether we like it or not, is a showcase of this country, having such an absurd number of cases in recent times. We're not talking about a medium- and long-term public policy , we're talking about a public policy. Exactly. Ready. For today. How do we change this? Let me tell you something. Education in elementary and high school is the responsibility of the state. Ah, the federal government just created the "nest egg" program because we discovered that 500,000 young people drop out of school every year to help with the family budget. So we decided to create a scholarship, you know, a savings account for these citizens so that they don't give up on school. Because if we don't invest now in education, we'll have to create prisons later, because we don't know what path these people will take. And it's working. It's working. Okay. More than 66% of young people have stopped dropping out of school; they are staying in school. We made a pact with mayors and governors so that we can get children to the second grade, and we've already achieved 66%. This demonstrates that you can't govern from Brasília alone, or that the city can't solve everything on its own. There needs to be a pact between the federated entities. And how is that going with the current governor of Rio, since we're talking about this today? Look, our governor has shown great seriousness. I've told him, look, he's applauded everywhere he goes for cutting spending, right? I tell him, you're applauded because you weren't a candidate and you didn't run for office, and you only have to do one thing: what the people want you to do. And he's doing it correctly, cutting spending. Very serious. Our governor is very serious. So, what do I think? Look at the education in Isabel, look at this. Ah, FUNDEB was the revolution of Brazil. When we created it, it was because FUNDEB allowed us to have the resources to make the necessary investments. Look at the situation here in Rio de Janeiro, for example. I'll give you an example of education in Rio de Janeiro. Out of 56 federal institutes in Rio de Janeiro, we created 44. My government built 44. But how do you reach the entire population? Look , it won't happen, there will never be anything to reach the entire population. It 's like that all over the world, but it will reach the people who need it. My goal is that we inherited 140, in 500 years we've already created 602, and I want to reach 1000 federal institutes. Why? To prepare these young people for the future, you know? We need artificial intelligence and Portuguese language skills. We don't need to keep copying the Chinese or Americans. We have to do it ourselves, you know? Train many people for this new digital industry, train many people for this new industry that will be the exploration of rare earths and critical minerals. We're going to have to train many people for... Transition will bring many data centers here because Brazil is a country with the potential to produce renewable energy like few other countries in the world. So we have to prepare our youth for this. What is your biggest concern? My obsession is to qualify the workforce of our youth so they can have better jobs and better salaries. We do n't want to be exporters of iron ore, only corn or soybeans. We want to be exporters of intelligence, like tourism here in Rio de Janeiro. And oil here. Look at Petrobras, which they wanted to privatize because Petrobras was bankrupt. This year, Petrobras was the company with the highest profit, even in the year they tried to sell Petrobras, Petrobras had more profit this year. Petrobras is now a much, much more respected company in the world. We found oil at a depth of 7,000 meters on the equatorial margin. Can we expect even greater investment in infrastructure? What can Rio de Janeiro do? I'll tell you something. We, I was the only president in the history of this country who created a PAC (Growth Acceleration Program). Why? Because I didn't want to choose the ministries and have each one do their own project. No. We have a goal to do other things. I started my administration by meeting with the 27 governors and asking them what the five priority projects were for their states. Which ones are for Rio de Janeiro? They gave me the project. I don't remember now, but they gave me the project. And here in Rio de Janeiro, we've already invested 200 million of the 424 million, 299 million have already been executed, you know? There isn't a single large-scale project in any state that isn't done with the federal government. If you look at highways, railways, you know, things are happening and they're already preparing a fourth package so that we can do much more. And the oil money, we need to save a part for the future of this country. To educate people, to educate girls and boys, to provide training, to qualify them, to qualify ourselves in the areas that are necessary. If necessary, to send them to study. We will send students to study abroad, but in the next 10 years we want to make Brazil one of the 10 best-educated countries in the world, because that's what will give Brazil greatness, that's what will allow us to be considered a rich country. We will never be rich if we have a majority of people... I'll give you the number. In 2004 we had 4,800,000 people in the job market with a university degree. 800,000 people, Isabele, with a university degree in the job market. Today we already have 25,500,000. And I want to reach 50 million. That's three terms, heading towards a fourth , if you are elected. What has n't Luís Inácio Lula da Silva done yet, and what's on my mind every day, and what do you intend to do most importantly? I can't say it right now, Mr. President. That's it. And education is my main concern. Your frustration there. Why? Because, stop talking, it's a concern I have with... Education is... it's because we waited 420 years for a Federal University. Can you believe that Brazil took 420 years to create its first federal university? While the Dominican Republic, which was discovered 8 years before us, already had its own 40 years after its discovery. Can you believe that Brazil is the last country in all these things? Can you believe that I, a metalworker, without a university degree, am the president who has created the most universities in the history of the country, the most federal institutes in the history of the country, but I put students in universities. That's my obsession. The other obsession is the issue of health. I know both sides because I was a factory worker. I was a factory worker for 27 years. I know how we are treated and I know how I am treated as president. So I want qualified treatment for everyone. The humblest person in Rio de Janeiro, when they go to the hospital, must receive adequate and respectful treatment. They must be treated with decency. That's another thing. Security. It's even a frustration, because it's not just my frustration, it's a frustration of the constituent assembly... 88 because of the military taking over the military police, you know, during the military regime, everyone thought it was necessary to remove the federal government from public security, and the governors liked it, because the governors don't like us interfering in state public security . No, no, they don't like it. I really do n't like it, because the police are a space of power. That's what they don't like. In other words, when the governors voted against the PEC (Proposed Constitutional Amendment), they don't want the PEC, they don't want the federal government to interfere, they just want money. And we don't want to release money, we want to get involved. We have the Federal Police, which is the most extraordinary police force we have in Brazil. We want to improve it, increase its intelligence, you know? Double the Federal Police force , double the Federal Highway Police force to take care of the roads, the border, you know? With power, and also our Penitentiary Police so we can build prisons [clearing throat] where we can be sure that it's not a state judge who will decide where the prisoner will be held, you know? The decision is made by... The penal system will decide. That citizen is dangerous, he'll stay in such and such a prison. So that's what I'll do too. And the people know I'm not one for empty promises, you know? Everything I say, I've done much more than I promised during the campaign, because I'm obsessed with making people walk with their heads held high and live decently well. I know both sides. When I talk to someone complaining about flooding, I've lived in a house where 1.5 meters of water entered. When I talk to someone complaining, it's very dirty. The house has cockroaches. I've lived in a house that flooded. I would wake up at 10 or 11 pm with cockroaches and rats trying to escape the water, you know? And I have to get up, you know, from that dirty water to lift my mother, to lift the little stove we had. I know what it's like to clean the house after the water recedes, the amount of mud, the amount of leeches on our shins . So I've been through all of that, and that 's why I... To evolve. I want people to climb one more step on the social ladder each year, you know? One step at a time. There are people who don't want people to move up. There are people who are horrified when poor people go to university . There are people who, when I talk about affirmative action laws, don't accept them. No, affirmative action laws, you know? There are people who don't accept a girl from the periphery going to a federal university. No. And the only thing everyone should have equal opportunities for is education. I want the daughter of a domestic worker, you know, to be able to compete for a place in university, and along with the son of the employer, in the ENEM (Brazilian National High School Exam), along with the son of the employer, there's no problem, no demerit for the son of the employer to win, the best one, the one who studied more, the one who prepared, you know? It's not about you winning because of the cradle you were born into. That's over. That's over, that's over, that's over, that's over, when Brazil was discovered here until the end of the 19th century, that is, there were no universities because the rich sent their children to study abroad and... The poor used to cut sugarcane, work as bricklayers, help bricklayers. That's over. Future, Mr. President. Look, the future, I dream of it, my greatest desire now, besides solving the problem, you know, that Brazil needs to solve, is education so that we can be competitive in this crazy digital world, in this world of energy transition, in this world of critical minerals, in this world of data centers. In other words, I want to invest heavily in education and the training of our youth, and I want Brazil to become a middle-class country. I want Brazil to become a middle-class country. It's about creating a kind of welfare state. Everyone will have to live with dignity. President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, Super Rádio Tupi is celebrating... Do you know how many years? Now I'm the one asking you the numbers question. 91 years of this radio station, and I would like, I'll get there, [laughs] I'll get there, I'm already 80. Sir, do you go to the gym? I think you probably already went to the gym today, right? Ah, but do you know what you did at the gym today? President? No, I didn't do it today. I arrived yesterday almost at midnight. I arrived at midnight. I didn't have time to do it. But let me tell you something. This is something we can give a message to, both women and men, you know? Move around, get moving , walk, do some exercise, because you are the one who takes care of you , not the medicine. When you need medicine, it's because you're already unwell. So, avoid medicine, prepare yourself physically, you know? Choose the quality of the food you're going to eat. Don't eat just anything, you know? Because we are the ones who have to take care of ourselves. And I learned, I learned that if we take care of ourselves, we will live a long time. Today I speak of Isabel with an open heart. Today I am much more prepared than when I was 60 years old. Look. Yes, we don't see it in stories and we see it on social media. I walk for an hour every day. I can run at 8 km/h even in this election race. Yes, yes. I can't. There's no problem at all. Janja is behind it. Yes, of course, Janja does it too, but it's a matter of survival. That is, I get up in the morning, I have to choose, I stay seated or I go to exercise. I go to exercise. It's tiring, yes, but it's important. It's important. The president, an influencer of well-being. Mr. President, to wrap up this chat, this conversation of ours, I've come back to talking about this lady, in my mind she's a 91-year-old woman from Super Rádio Tupi. I would like you to speak, send a message, and it is precisely this week that we celebrate, remembering the power of communication, the respect for the press and the respect for what we are doing here. Democracy with proposals, with [snoring] conversation. And directly to the listeners of Super Rádio Tupi, to Rio de Janeiro, which loves this radio station so much, which we call family. Mr. President, Isabel, one important thing to say about the 91st anniversary of Super Rádio Tupi. Tupi, it's about talking about the importance of radio. It's funny because I've seen it so many times, not because radio is going to end, because radio is going to end, because it will, nothing ends . Radio is a good thing. There's something nice about watching football on television while listening to the radio, because radio conveys so much more emotion. You don't see people's faces, you receive so much more emotion. And with a radio , you can turn it on at whatever volume you want, do anything, you're listening to the radio, you don't have to be holding your cell phone or sit down to watch television. So I would say that radio is almost irreplaceable in communication. I'm very, very happy. I 've known Tupi for many years. I've liked Tupi for many years, you know? Both the television and the radio. And I think it's impressive how radio doesn't lose its audience. It's impressive. That is, no matter how much people try, radio doesn't lose its audience. People listen and listen, and you know, I think it's fantastic. Therefore, I wanted to congratulate you, congratulate you on your work, congratulate, you know, the directors of the radio station. Tupi, to the listeners of Tupi radio, because happy is the country that has a radio station, that has the will to speak to the people, as you do at Tupi. Congratulations, Isabele. Mr. President, may God grant you a long life so you can do many more years of this program. President Luís Inácio Lula da Silva, on behalf of Super Rádio Tupi, I thank you for this interview. Uh, now you're going to Irajá, right? Going to Irajá. People from Irajá are arriving there. I'll release you. Thank you very much. On behalf of the management of Superrádio Tupi, in this moment that we are living and that we will always live, which is the importance of communication for democracy and for people to listen and make their decisions. Thank you very much, Mr. President. Lu, it is in these moments of crisis that we have to make the right decisions. Many times a crisis comes, we think it's going to make things worse, and it comes to help. Thank you very much, okay? A hug and good luck. Good luck. Thank you, Mr. President. This was our interview, our conversation with President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, candidate for re-election to the presidency. A hug to everyone. I'll be back with you in the studio.