Presidente Lula sanciona novas regras para a tributação de compras internacionais
This measure, Mr. President, accomplishes two fundamental things: social justice and tax justice. And it fits within a set of measures, actions, and programs that have been launched recently. Everything to protect, right, Bruno? The popular economy, the economy. And therefore, we feel very proud, Segundo, of the effort we made, as you witnessed, Minister Márcio, to secure the approval of a provisional measure that upholds social justice. Therefore, Mr. President, this sanction has great significance for the popular economy, for those people who are not always recognized within the framework of the global economy. And this measure has a great impact, and I think it's time for us to celebrate together the president's initiative and the courage he had to move forward with the provisional measure. Approved unanimously, right? Practically unanimously. They tried everything, amending things here and there, but we held the line. And today the country will have a law that primarily benefits low-income people, those people who go abroad and make a small purchase, you know, a little something there, and they won't have to pay the cost anymore. Therefore, we have to celebrate with a big victory. And here I pass the word to, as agreed, due to the time, the chairman of the committee, Representative Reginaldo Lopes, who will have 3 minutes. And then the rapporteur spoke for 3 minutes. Representative Reginaldo, thank you Guimarães. Greetings to all, especially to our president Lula. It has a real objective. Once again, Mr. President, you were right. President Lula has always been against taxing horns, citing the principles of equality and social justice. Brazil has 200 million Brazilians who do not have the opportunity to take any international trips and who should have this tax equality compared to the other 14 million Brazilians who travel the world and have a tax right on their purchases up to 2,000. So, I want to acknowledge here that you were right, but Parliament also knew how to partially accept the blame, because in fact, when Your Excellency very boldly forwarded the provisional measure, Parliament also recognized it, especially since, on January 16, 2025, the President sanctioned a tax reform that comes into effect on January 1st, which greatly strengthens the national industry and brings, in addition to tax justice and social justice, as Minister Zé Guimarães very well put it, also tax equality for the national industry. It's good to remember that we, the project that Your Excellency is creating, also allow foreigners here in Brazil to buy up to $000, that is, it helps foreigners buy in the country, it helps the national industry. It's good to remember that we'll have cashback, we'll return part of the taxes to 80 million Brazilians on domestic purchases. It's important to remember that Brazil will not levy export taxes. So let's help, Mr. President, the Brazilian industry to export with added value. It's important to remember that we will be charging import tax at the point of sale, the national VAT, which provides tax parity between domestic and foreign industries. Therefore, it is a matter of justice to guarantee tax equality for national industry, but also to guarantee tax and legal symmetry for the Brazilian people with less economic power. Finally, Mr. President, I would also like to say that this is a policy that you have tackled very well in these last 4 years, which I call tackling the cost of living for the Brazilian people. We realize that this action improves the real income of the Brazilian people, it improves disposable income. If we add that to the people's gas , it reduces the cost of living for the Brazilian people. This is compounded by the social tariff, the nest egg, and the expansion of the popular pharmacy program. In other words, it's a set of policies that, in addition to the real increase in the minimum wage and the rise in the income of Brazilian workers—which has seen the greatest growth in recent times and is the highest income the Brazilian people have— these other actions help to reduce the cost of living. That's why we need to stay strong. Congratulations, Your Excellency, for your courage. For her boldness, I congratulate my colleague, the rapporteur Leila, who did a wonderful job and shared with us the entire journey leading up to the approval of the report. So, congratulations on the camaraderie, let's go together, and good luck. Thank you, Mr. President, well, and now the floor is yours, Senator Leira. Thank you, Minister Zé Guimarães. That's good, huh? I greet President Luiz Inácio Nuno da Silva, our Vice-President, and Alkm, and on behalf of both of them, I greet everyone who is here. My leader as well, Federal Senate, Teresa Leitão. Well, it was quite an interesting crossing, wasn't it? Well, as has already been said and expressed here, both Reginaldo and I fulfilled this mission with great joy, Mr. President, because first of all, I want to congratulate you and the entire government, right? Bruno's here, Diga's over there, the government worked very well, it worked a lot with us, the Senate staff. I want to thank the president of the house, Senator Davi Columbre, and President Hugo Moto, who also entrusted us both with the presidency of the committee and me as rapporteur. And to say, Mr. President, that there were 112 amendments, countless conversations with the productive sector. Last Sunday, last weekend , I was in the middle of all that crazy campaigning , but we worked, we listened to everyone. And so I want to thank the consulting firms and also the government, which was a great partner in this process, and also the women's collectives. We talk a lot here about social justice, but little has been said about the consumer. And the majority of these e-commerce consumers are women. And women are the ones who manage the family budget, especially for low-income families, Mr. President. Those are the ones who go online to find more affordable sneakers for their child, right? A little blouse or accessory for your daughter, for the family, who are counting their money to make ends meet, even for you to get through to the end of the month, right, Teresa? So, this women's collective also contacted me at the Federal Senate. So, we had this possibility and also the issue of accessibility, professor. Oh, Mr. President, the most interesting thing was that we didn't stop listening, trying to find a text that could, in some way, not meet everyone's expectations, because no text there is perfect, but signal to the sectors, to the consumer, to the opposition and the government that we were listening to everyone. So the text, right, the essence of the text was maintained, but we responsibly introduced some safeguards, for example, the government having to, every six months, initially now, since the provisional measure was issued in May, now, after these first three months, send to the Ministry of Publicity, the impact, right, of this provisional measure, right, of the results, whether in employment or in the sector itself, and every six months carry out this evaluation and present it to the Ministry of Publicity, and also the participation, we maintained the participation, the guarantee of the National Congress of power, through these reports presented by the Ministry of Finance, for the Congress itself to also be able to carry out its evaluation and each year also be able to do its work. So I want to thank the government for their confidence in our work, both mine and Reginaldo's. I would like to thank our leadership here, Senator Teresa Leitão, who also participates a great deal, and also all the ministers, Zé Guimarães, Morete, and everyone else who has been with us on this front. We are not only delivering social justice and strengthening our popular economy, but we are also listening to the consumer, especially Brazilian women, those who are daily struggling to keep their family budget compatible with their reality. So, congratulations to everyone involved. Thank you very much for the opportunity. [applause] Well, also present here are the executive secretaries of the Ministry of Development, Industry and Commerce, Rodrigo Zerbone, Samara Cast, Robson Barreirinho, I already mentioned Robson Barreirinha. Every time we were at Câmara Perreado, he would come over to pass on information. It was always a problem for us, wasn't it, to match the information with the Internal Revenue Service . Roberson Bar, as I've already mentioned, and Gerson Bitencu, the secretary of parliamentary affairs, and so on. And now Minister Daril Dúria speaks on behalf of Bruno and everyone else, because he represents all of us. Thank you, Guimarães. Good morning, President Lula, Vice-President Alkbin, Miriam, Márcio, Sidônio, Bruno. Greetings to you, my colleagues present here. Greetings, I extend a special greeting to Senator Leila, Senator Teresa, and Representative Reginaldo. Well, once again, the partnership and open dialogue between the government and Congress leads us to a good result. Mr. President, I wanted to talk a little about this history, especially when we look at the program that you mandated we establish [clearing throat] from the very first year, which is a compliance program, a regularity program, called Remessa Conforme, led by Robinson Barreirinha, the special secretary of revenue, who is here. It's important that we put these things into a story so that it doesn't seem like they're just gifts. It takes a lot of work and a lot of political guidance for us to get to where we are today. You can imagine that online commerce grew considerably from 2015 to 2016, especially during the pandemic, but the governments that preceded us did nothing to make the state more efficient. So, it took more than 30 days for these purchases coming from abroad to be processed, cleared through customs, and delivered to the people. There was no control over what was being sold. So, sure, you had a little shirt, sneakers, but we saw a lot of toy weapons that came with them, a lot of toys that were harmful to children. What did we do? And here's the detail, Mr. President: before our government, there was never an exemption for remittances made from a legal entity, from a company to an individual. So, in addition to all the lack of control that existed, what was being sent to Brazil with zero tax was an abuse. So you were saying, there are large companies that operate in this, that would put an individual, John from China, sending a shipment to Mary in Brazil, when in reality it wasn't John from China, it was a company that made that shipment. And then you'd talk to the tax department and say, "But hey, don't you realize it's growing?" Yes, but no, the previous government didn't give that directive, there was no such guideline to organize. So what we did was organize these shipments within the country using the Remessa Conforme system. Today, Mr. President, the ease of the process is evident. We receive information about what's coming from the companies even before it leaves the port of origin. All the companies sat down with us and said, "No, we're going to standardize the packaging." So, we know what's inside, which company it comes from, and which is complying with child and adolescent protection regulations. We have identified weapons and drug trafficking in our international partnerships that we no longer allow in Brazil. It has decreased significantly, but apprehension has increased considerably. So, we've been doing this, and we were the ones who initially implemented the exemption for companies and individuals. Back in 2023, the states started charging ICMS (a Brazilian state sales tax) and the federal government removed the company's exemption , which meant the company was now operating legally for people buying these products in the country. In 2024, it was amended by the National Congress, a unanimous vote that brought about a 20% tax. And as Reginaldo said, we have been following and witnessing the president's determination to say: "My commitment is to the poorest people, and they are the ones who are primarily affected by this taxation on this purchase." So, it was President Lula who once again reinstated the exemption that we implemented at the beginning of 2023, in addition to establishing this safety control for children, guaranteeing quality, the INMETRO seal, bringing these companies in, because they have a responsibility to us that they are advertising correctly, that they comply with Brazilian rules, and again bringing the exemption within a regularity program that allows us, as Senator Leila said, to have control. If we have control now, it's because before there was no control at all; it was abuse, lack of control, fraud. Now we have the state functioning well , efficiently benefiting businesses and the most needy people who now have access to products that are not available in Brazil, they can access these products in the world and bring them into their families. Therefore, Mr. President, we are very consistent with your directives and those of the ministries, to guarantee social justice, to assist the poorest, but at the same time to maintain control and transparency of information. Mr. President, it is always in our interest to have transparency, not only in this case, but here as well. So, let's change the transparency regarding goods entering the country, regarding controls, because we've found some things to be wrong, so that Brazilian companies and Brazilian consumers can better monitor this very successful policy of yours. Thank you, Mr. President. [applause] The president is about to sign the sanction measure, right? And then, the floor is yours, Mr. President. I'm quick. [Clearing throat] I just need to make a repair here. Everyone says this law is to help the poorest people. That's not true. That 's not true. Here at this table, all the women who are here, and some of the men, buy these cheaper things. Those who spend all day on their cell phones looking for bad news, which is what most people do, find something unusual to buy. He never watches you, he just keeps buying things. It's easy to pay, pay with Pix. In other words, people are buying it, and it's not the poor who are poor. The middle class buys this stuff. I was with Fadora Lu, she buys, his daughter buys, Mirió buys, our senator buys, our election buys, you know? That's the truth . Everyone buys it. No, let's drop this argument that it's for the poor and that poor people don't like to buy these things. If we can invent someone who buys 3,000, why ca n't we invent someone who buys 50? What does the state gain by taxing those who charge 50? And I can tell you, I think the discourse of businessmen who say they're going to have losses, that they'll just let time pass, is somewhat false. to see who was telling the truth. What we 're doing is simply delivering justice, that's all . Making a repair. One thing we did was put a tax on it, then we took the tax off it, and then it was put back on by the Chamber of Deputies. I was there in the afternoon when we received a phone call from the then- president. Artra didn't want us to impose the tax, because we had an agreement that the obstacles were there because I needed to impose 20%, because if it wasn't 20%, nothing would be approved. I said, "Then impose the tax," and I said, "Then impose it." There was no need to impose it; that's the concrete fact. So what we're doing here is targeting people who can't travel by plane, who can't buy wine, who can't buy whiskey, who can't buy fancy leather jackets, who can't buy something smaller. The other day my wife bought a little thing to button up shirts. It's a hook, especially for fastening those cuff buttons, which are sometimes difficult to fasten when the button is tight. You can't find that in a shopping mall, you just can't, you know? You found that on the internet while scratching your phone. I call it "itch, scratch, scratch down and scratch up" because it's bad news and every now and then something good to buy, and you buy it. Why did we have to tax these people? So here's what we're doing at the auction, Reginaldo, it's only fair to let people continue buying, because here's the thing, it's 50, it 's 50, it's a maximum of R$ 250, you know? It's money, you know, if it wasn't going to these people, where would it go? This money is circulating in commerce, it's generating more jobs, it's creating work opportunities, it's generating benefits for people. And Reginaldo, his partner Le, and the other partner forgot to mention that it's not just medicine we have, it's not just blouses, we're also inventing medicine. And check out the article about medication here; I'll definitely read it. Zero [snoring] the import tax for medicines not available on the national market intended for patients with rare or neglected diseases. This will apply to finished products with no national equivalent classified by Anvisa (Brazilian Health Regulatory Agency), imported by individuals, or for personal use. I just wanted to make an appeal to you all here. It would be necessary to include another provisional measure, to see if a correction can be made, or through the SUS (Brazilian public healthcare system), because the SUS certainly serves people with these diseases. I think it was important that the SUS (Brazilian public healthcare system) could also buy, you know, your taxes so it could distribute [the medicine] for free to these people. Therefore, it is important that in any provisional measure, our legislators remember and include the word " for the SUS" to distribute to people who know they use the SUS. What would be considered is that any of our drug audience is generated, but we can even... Very well. But we can break the gas supply by the end of the year . So, guys, I just wanted to tell you this. Well, the tax policy will come into effect in January, but there will still be a lot of discussion. It's when it comes into effect that we'll realize what the complaints are in practice, what, you know, is good in theory but doesn't work in practice. We're going to have a lot more discussion, but the concrete fact is that what we're doing today is making amends to the suppliers who want to buy. I'd almost call it a trinket, wouldn't you? Almost like a trinket. Because it's such an insignificant little thing that it's not worth anyone saying it causes harm, that it causes unemployment, that it will cause problems for commerce. If you go into a store today, in those big Brazilian stores, you won't see any clothes produced here in Brazil. You'll see clothing manufacturers from the test bench, [clearing throat] you'll see manufacturers from China, manufacturers in Vietnam, all hanging there. Half Vietnam, half Korea, half I don't know what, half Maisa, half I don't know what, you know? And what's bothersome is the poor little thing. [clearing throat] So, congratulations to you all. You will go down in history as the people who helped to make amends to the consumer public who spend little money but buy only what is necessary. It is fine? Congratulations and thank you, comrades. [applause]